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Quincy Jones has become the most sought-after interview in music! Weeks after his conversation in GQ where the 84-year-old music producer revealed he had 22 girlfriends among other fascinating tidbits, Jones is again revealing himself to be the Black Forrest Gump.

In a new interview with Vulture, Jones dished on why he thought the Beatles were “the most non-talented musicians in the history of the world,” what’s missing from music today and one of his biggest partners in the King of Pop, Michael Jackson.

“I hate to get into this publicly, but Michael stole a lot of stuff. He stole a lot of songs,” Jones said. “[Donna Summer’s] “State of Independence” and “Billie Jean.” The notes don’t lie, man. He was as Machiavellian as they come.”

On what he found to be misunderstood about the legendary King of Pop, the Thriller producer said, “I used to kill him about the plastic surgery, man. He’d always justify it and say it was because of some disease he had. He had a problem with his looks because his father told him he was ugly and abused him. What do you expect?”

The full interview also offers insight as to why Jones’ never made music for fame or money and thoughts on how “God walks out the room” when you’re making music to chase a “Ciroc” or “Phat Farm.”